Teen Gothic

I've witnessed an enormous amount of goths claim this. No matter how much I try to make myself clear and bring up points as to why I think every element of the subculture makes up what it is and doesn't lose its goth label just because it's not the thing goth is based on, all I get is "it's a MUSIC based subculture, I don't get what's so hard to understand about that".

My argument was that goth fashion is goth fashion regardless of whether or not the one who wears it is goth. You're calling it that, so what are people supposed to call it? I get it that goths don't like how the visual style has become more popular than the music, so much so that the general public instantly associates goth with a visual thing and rarely music, but that doesn't change anything as to how labeling this style of dress "goth" would be accurate.

The goths I spoke to seem to be absolutely convinced that if you really like the music, you instantly become enveloped by the lyrics, melody and atmosphere and become a true, authentic goth, which is absolutely unrealistic. People experience everything, especially music, differently. Am I crazy for saying you're not instantly a member of an entire subculture if you like to listen to the music it is based on?

When I was in high school, I was called a metalhead by young and old and I absolutely hated it. My friend group was a bunch of alternative kids and we did listen to quite a bit of metal, but I did not identify with the metalheads one bit. I'm very picky about my music and I don't have a main genre I like, yet metalheads acted as if we have some kinship that goes without saying.

As far as what I think makes someone goth, it's being able to really connect to the inspiration that births all the music, visuals, atmosphere and sentiments associated with goth. Music doesn't just appear, it's created. It's the most important part of the subculture, but someone who simply likes to listen to it doesn't necessarily connect to it or the others who do. Subcultures exist because of the people and their desire for kinship, listening to music is just called listening to music, dressing a certain way is just called dressing a certain way, and neither instantly drops a label onto you.

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Looking for more goth music infused with poetry and mythology similar to Linea Aspera's debut album and more specifically the song Lamanai and La Casa Usher's Carroña is another example of what I am looking for. Thank you.

Nostalgia kills the modern goth scene. When you have older people telling young people how great things were and how today doesn't measure up, it leads to inactivity. After all, why bother if it is going to suck.

Oldy McOldface is certain things were amazing back in their day and even after not going to a single modern event (or in many cases disappearing for years and resurfacing wondering why everything has changed) and age means superiority. But it doesn't always work like that.

How do you know things suck now if you haven't tried it? And I don't mean going to a single night and declaring all is unwell. A proper go for a better informed opinion. So maybe it does suck. So why does it? Are the DJs recycling the same old setlists out of nostalgia? Are younger people running the event like an older one because they have been told that is how it was when goth was better? Maybe the events don't suck at all. Maybe you suck.

It is worth noting in a lot of the world, goth events are attended by an aging population. We need to get younger people involved. Show that goth was alive back then and is still alive now. Older people tend to have the knowledge and resources to make things happen. Use age and experience to guide, not to shout get off my lawn and out of my clubhouse.

Young people can also fall into nostalgia for something they never experienced. By thinking the past was oh so wonderful through the nostalgia lens. How the music was so great, the events/venues, the people. But that same nostalgia lens distorts things.

The music has been filtered by time so the good stuff is well known. Obscurities are usually obscure for good reason. Most of it is generic or just not that good. Information was sparse back then and varied region to region, city to city. Now it is a lot more uniform worldwide.

A lot of events were held in dives that were death traps. And the people… you think elitists are bad now? You have no idea. On top of that you have how badly alternative people in general were treated. Gay and trans people copped it even worse. When someone tells you metalheads used to beat up goths they aren't lying. Then there is the difference in sexual assault laws and sleazebags getting away with a lot more shady behaviour.

Change is inevitable. Change had to happen and for the most part now is far better than before. And all eras have their pros and cons. But there is only one era that really matters : now. If now fails because people are too focused on thinking about past glory the goth scene will die and there will be no future.

Some nostalgia is fine, we should respect the past and the people who built up the goth subculture so we can have it now. Listening to old music and telling old stories are fine. But a good DJ doesn't just play the old music everyone knows, they also play new music as well as trying things that may be the next wave of the future. Old stories can inspire good things to happen today and light a fire under people's arses to do something. We can have it too.

"But I don't have a local scene!" – guess it sucks to be you if you lived back then. But wait… now we have the internet and social media! We can access almost any song in the world right now without postal delays or the inconvenience of leaving the house. I can talk to other goths right now if I wanted to at any time of day without people picking up my phone call with "Why are you ringing at 3am on Tuesday, you weirdo!" and that includes talking to goths anywhere in the world. Yeah, it isn't the same as having a local scene but it is a far cry from having nothing at all.

So let's focus on now and making goth an enriching experience for all of us, one we can have together wherever we are.

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I absolutely adore Sisters Of Mercy and I was wondering what other bands give that kind of feeling. As gloomy and orchestral/dramatic would be great, since I love the romantic/victorian/vampire style. I've tried other bands through the years but never quite found what I was looking for. The closest I got to the feeling this band gives me was Cocteau Twins. If you could help me that'll be great.

Oh and one more thing!! I'd rather look for the more underground scene since the mainstream or well known goth bands didn't quite hit the spot. Sorry I'm picky, I'm more on the metal side :/

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